Thinking 4

[Clifford Black]

Thinking Truth
4


There have been a number of questions about how to begin. First we must ask ourselves a most important question: Can I read? Before letting the ego answer, please, follow up with this question: Do I know what reading actually is? Maybe there are some who are reading this who will answer these two questions for us. If you are a participant in the Super-Learning program do not enter into the discussion at this time.Are you aware that reading is a basic learning method and strategy.

Most people, in the United States of America, take it for granted that they know how to perform this very simple task, when in fact all they are realIy doing is the calling of words. It is also taken for granted that all students know the alphabet and what the letters mean. When asked what the letters mean the average doctor or lawyer usually answers with: A means apple and B means ball. Sometimes the answer is: A means Alpha. Has any of this nonsense ever been your answer? Have you ever been asked this question? If so or if not. do it now and see what you have for an answer.

This process is an aspect of what is called the Socratic method of learning. Learning methods are, in fact, a science that has been evolving over a long period of time. It may also be important to understand that certain methods and strategies for higher learning have never been included in curriculums that are designed for the general public. Let’s try to address these few basic questions before we go forward.

[B. Crittenden Freeman]

Emenike La, You're Welcome. And hello!

[B. Crittenden Freeman]

i grok

[Emenike La]

Thank you Barry for posting this. It's good to see brothers willing to learn. Namaska.

[Aaron (Al) Lewis]

Dr. Black and Barry if I may intercede? One of the consequences for moving too fast is one can get way out there or way in there, without a lifeline. I have witnessed damaging consequences when that is done and I have seen it happen time and again the past 6 years.

To establish a "lifeline" I am speaking of getting the fundamentals down pat. I had, have a tendency to want to move at light speed, but every time I have done so I have missed vital information and more importantly vital contextual nuances. Those VCNs contain data, hints, and info that may allow for one to miss the deeper meaning of things. As much as I don't like it I must say there are no short cuts to this and like you Barry I was and am an avid and voracious reader. There were certain abstracts I was missing because of the lack of fundamental understanding of how to perform the necessary research or the memory capacity to hold the thoughts while I connected the abstracts.

I am not suggesting you don't know how to do research, not at all, but there are more processes, that I was unaware of, that were required, after I found what I thought I had found. I think that is what Doc is referring to when he suggests we all slow down and I have been told that by him dozens if not hundreds of times.

I appreciate and in fact honor your commitment to wanting to learn and know. You have demonstrated an ability to do that and that is impressive. This process involves much more than the "socratic method" and requires some discipline to begin to master. Hence again the advice to take it slow. One day remind me to tell you about the brother who went too fast and the window and the gun.

In fact my daughter is a member of the red pill and he was a friend of hers. Maybe she will share the story with us. I don't mean to alarm folks, but this is serious and real. I have my own personal story also, but I will wait for another time to share it.

[Clifford Black]

It is said, by the experts, that this process can only be done with small numbers of learners at one time. When it has been done, in most environments, there is usually an audiance and a small group actually participates and as a matter of fact it was being done as a tv program not too long ago.

[B. Crittenden Freeman]

Slow down? Sure. That's not a problem. I was going to continue to read more on this but, I'll slow. down.
I don't know what you are speaking of "what has been witnessed cannot be done". However, I am interested in learning. I'll just continue reading

[Clifford Black]

Namaska Brother Barry,
Now I am going to ask of u something that I think is very important for u to consider doing. What I now need for you to do, is to promise me, that, you are going to slow down and let me show you some things that even the so-called teachers at Harvard have not figured out YET. It is now being said ( by the so-called experts) that what u have witnessed (actually happening) cannot be done (will explain off the air). Please check with Bro. Al to see if I am asking something of you that is other than what I have asked anyone who is seriously interested in learning this process.
Mr. Black.

[B. Crittenden Freeman]

Ok so “The Socratic Method (or Method of Elenchus or Socratic Debate), named after the Socrates, is a form of inquiry and debate between individuals with opposing viewpoints based on asking and answering questions to stimulate rational thinking and to illuminate ideas.[1] It is a dialectical method, often involving an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is pitted against the defense of another; one participant may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the inquirer's own point.

Elenchus n. [ < Latin elenchus < Greek elenchos corss-examination < elenchein to shame, refute perh. Akin to MIr lang shame Latvian langat to scold, Hitt link to swear]
1. a refutation
2. a false refutation

dialectical [MF & L : MF dialectique, dialetique, fr. L dialecticus, fr Gk dialektikos, fr dialkektos debate conversation + -ikos –ic –ilcal more at dialect]

dialect [MF dialecte, fr. L dialectus, fr. Gk dialektos, fr. dialegesthal to converse]

di [ME, fr MF, fr L, fr Gk; akin to OE twi]
1 : twice : twofold : double
2 : containing two atoms, radicals or groups

Mir = Middle Irish
Hitt = Hittite
Gk = Greek
OE = Old English

The term Socratic questioning is used to describe a kind of questioning in which an original question is responded to as though it were an answer. This in turn forces the first questioner to reformulate a new question in light of the progress of the discourse.
Dr. Black, for purposes of clarity you are offering this method (Socratic questioning) as a Method of Learning. That is, to take in data or questions (as data) and then to turn it/them around as a question for exploration & clarity. And in doing so this will provide more data for exploration (or clarity) and perhaps more answers than normally would have. I'll stop here and wait for your response and continue to do some more research on my end.

[Clifford Black]

Good for u Brother Barry. And when u have started the process that allows u to master the basics then you and I will begin together without the problem that the brain has a tendency to cause.

[B. Crittenden Freeman]

ok. The Socratic method of learning. I don't know what this is and I will do some research.