So what about the Louis "Skip" Gates affair? - THE RED PILL2024-03-29T00:11:46Zhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/forum/topics/so-what-about-the-louis-skip?commentId=3561936%3AComment%3A1163&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat does this information ha…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2012-03-25:3561936:Comment:528992012-03-25T21:28:31.937ZClifford Blackhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/CliffordBlack
<p>What does this information have to do with the latest incident and is it not more than strange how we here at this site have been trying to cause people to be aware enough to at least have a conversation about this thing called race and only a few are interested.</p>
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<p>What does this information have to do with the latest incident and is it not more than strange how we here at this site have been trying to cause people to be aware enough to at least have a conversation about this thing called race and only a few are interested.</p>
<p>B.</p> You know, in the long run, th…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-08-01:3561936:Comment:13022009-08-01T08:47:55.000ZB. Crittenden Freemanhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/BCrittendenFreeman
You know, in the long run, the "Tipping Points" to major changes many times are little things, like the Gates/Crowely/Obama Beer summit. Yu could in fact say that Obama is "Tipping Points Master".
You know, in the long run, the "Tipping Points" to major changes many times are little things, like the Gates/Crowely/Obama Beer summit. Yu could in fact say that Obama is "Tipping Points Master". ok. I think I can better answ…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-08-01:3561936:Comment:13012009-08-01T08:11:30.000ZB. Crittenden Freemanhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/BCrittendenFreeman
ok. I think I can better answer. And my answer is "i'm unsure". I still need to know what exactly happened, words exchanged and all when Dr. Gates and Officer Crowley interacted. Then I can decide what "prejudices" (pre-judgements) were at play.<br />
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BTW, did anyone catch Larry King with the Police Offier who used the expression "Banana-Eating Monkeys"? And then he lied about "not knowing why he said what he said! Of course he knew exactly why he wrote those words. nd yes, his "prejudices" (his…
ok. I think I can better answer. And my answer is "i'm unsure". I still need to know what exactly happened, words exchanged and all when Dr. Gates and Officer Crowley interacted. Then I can decide what "prejudices" (pre-judgements) were at play.<br />
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BTW, did anyone catch Larry King with the Police Offier who used the expression "Banana-Eating Monkeys"? And then he lied about "not knowing why he said what he said! Of course he knew exactly why he wrote those words. nd yes, his "prejudices" (his pre-judgements) came out. And he couldn't own them and then learn from them and then begin the process of letting them go. So, therefore, he can't be trusted (in my book, at least). Hey Barry we're" hanging in t…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-08-01:3561936:Comment:12822009-08-01T05:21:59.000ZSammie James McDaniel jr.https://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/SammieJamesMcDanieljr
Hey Barry we're" hanging in there" today. To make myself "clear" I judge "racism" may have had little or nothing at all to do with the initial incident.As Al alluded to in his last post IMJ the "shadow of racism" was driving ,from the moment Gates open the "door" to the "beer summit".
Hey Barry we're" hanging in there" today. To make myself "clear" I judge "racism" may have had little or nothing at all to do with the initial incident.As Al alluded to in his last post IMJ the "shadow of racism" was driving ,from the moment Gates open the "door" to the "beer summit". I was just thinking. Years ag…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-31:3561936:Comment:12472009-07-31T05:17:41.000ZAaron (Al) Lewishttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/AaronAlLewis
I was just thinking. Years ago right after the Racial Healing Event in Chicago we created a list serve called The Kitchen and sometimes things got hot, that's why we called it that. I remember posting a thought I had about Carl Jung and projection.<br />
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The concept of the shadow is used in some modern initiation processes right? So if you take the concept of shadow, those things about ourselves that we repress, deny, cast off, don't love, find contemptible and consequently project onto others,…
I was just thinking. Years ago right after the Racial Healing Event in Chicago we created a list serve called The Kitchen and sometimes things got hot, that's why we called it that. I remember posting a thought I had about Carl Jung and projection.<br />
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The concept of the shadow is used in some modern initiation processes right? So if you take the concept of shadow, those things about ourselves that we repress, deny, cast off, don't love, find contemptible and consequently project onto others, doesn't it make logical sense that the very people who came to define the negative characteristics of the word nigger would themselves be projecting their inner painful judgments of themselves onto someone else? Then, what would that make them?<br />
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Could it then be conceivable that when someone refers to me as a nigger they are inadvertently trying to focus their inner pain onto me to hold for them? So. what if I choose not to hold it for them? That is what I chose to do. That thought allowed me a choice; that choice provided me with an aspect of freedom. Thus, the word holds no power over me for I know from whence it came. Peace Barry. we are on the sa…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-31:3561936:Comment:12462009-07-31T04:52:29.000ZAaron (Al) Lewishttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/AaronAlLewis
Peace Barry. we are on the same accord.
Peace Barry. we are on the same accord. Hi Sammie, long time no chat…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-31:3561936:Comment:12442009-07-31T04:09:54.000ZB. Crittenden Freemanhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/BCrittendenFreeman
Hi Sammie, long time no chat with! How are you and yours? All's fine on my end.<br />
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I'm unsure as to what you're asking. Can you please specify? Thanks.<br />
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<cite>Sammie James McDaniel jr. said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://redpilltraining.ning.com/forum/topics/so-what-about-the-louis-skip?id=3561936%3ATopic%3A663&page=2#3561936Comment1163"><div>Mr. Freeman what do you Judged has fueled this incident. Not just what happen at Gates home, the whole Side Show. Any one with a clue please…</div>
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Hi Sammie, long time no chat with! How are you and yours? All's fine on my end.<br />
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I'm unsure as to what you're asking. Can you please specify? Thanks.<br />
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<cite>Sammie James McDaniel jr. said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://redpilltraining.ning.com/forum/topics/so-what-about-the-louis-skip?id=3561936%3ATopic%3A663&page=2#3561936Comment1163"><div>Mr. Freeman what do you Judged has fueled this incident. Not just what happen at Gates home, the whole Side Show. Any one with a clue please respond.<br/><br/><cite>B. Crittenden Freeman said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://redpilltraining.ning.com/forum/topics/so-what-about-the-louis-skip?x=1%233561936Comment1141&id=3561936%3ATopic%3A663&page=1#3561936Comment1102"><div>Mr. McDaniels, with your permission...<br/><br/>Mr. Gates went to bed the night before "a human being" and woke up "a human being". The trappings of himself and the "trap" "pings" of the world never changed. (Hmm. Interesting title for a book.. "Trap Pings"). Anyway,I'm glad that Gates got beyond it.<br/><br/><cite>Aaron (Al) Lewis said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://redpilltraining.ning.com/forum/topics/so-what-about-the-louis-skip#3561936Comment786"><div>Sammie, thanks for joining. That is funny. How about sharing a little about yourself with us. Oh and by the way you used the word "Nigger". Why not the "N" word? I mean I have no judgment or preference I was just wondering about your personal choice. Some so called black people find it offensive and some declare they will never stop using it.</div>
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</blockquote> Al, not meanings being releva…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-31:3561936:Comment:12432009-07-31T04:08:23.000ZB. Crittenden Freemanhttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/BCrittendenFreeman
Al, not meanings being relevant, my statement was "definitive background" is irrelevant. The definitive background of the word "nigger" is irrelevant.
Al, not meanings being relevant, my statement was "definitive background" is irrelevant. The definitive background of the word "nigger" is irrelevant. Oh and I have been corrected,…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-31:3561936:Comment:12422009-07-31T02:35:40.000ZAaron (Al) Lewishttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/AaronAlLewis
Oh and I have been corrected, Negro is NOT the etymology of the word nigger.
Oh and I have been corrected, Negro is NOT the etymology of the word nigger. Barry, meanings are always re…tag:redpilltraining.ning.com,2009-07-30:3561936:Comment:12012009-07-30T17:20:53.000ZAaron (Al) Lewishttps://redpilltraining.ning.com/profile/AaronAlLewis
Barry, meanings are always relevant. If not there would be no definitions to follow them. We wouldn't be having this conversation if they were not. What I am stating is that we give an awful lot of power to other people's definitions. I give no power to anyone's definition unless I true it up for myself. By doing so, I can take all the charge off of it just as my 18 year old son has. The intended sarcasm has no impact on him. That is an aspect of freedom. If I am living on this planet, in this…
Barry, meanings are always relevant. If not there would be no definitions to follow them. We wouldn't be having this conversation if they were not. What I am stating is that we give an awful lot of power to other people's definitions. I give no power to anyone's definition unless I true it up for myself. By doing so, I can take all the charge off of it just as my 18 year old son has. The intended sarcasm has no impact on him. That is an aspect of freedom. If I am living on this planet, in this world, so sensitive to what other people call me, I would, as I once did, find myself a pin cushion for the thoughts, opinions and beliefs of others. I refuse to be lived that way. Yet, I understand the concept that people are well-defended around their beliefs. The word nigger is just a word that I have little investiture in. I see it for what it is -- nothing, until I make it something.<br />
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So, thanks for proving the point that language has way more power over us than we'd care to own or admit. And that's all I was ever suggesting. Now, the point is how can we move beyond allowing someone to define for us? So, if nigger is a "charged" word, I can't wait until we get to Chicago and see the impact when we introduce some real "power" words to the participants.<br />
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Again, and I have stated this repeatedly, this exercise is not about if the usage of the word "nigger" is right or wrong. That is relevant only to the receiver. No one person can determine what is offensive for anyone else. If Sister Nancy opened congress with "What's up my nigger?", I am sure a great deal of people would be offended. I'd be amused. What we are getting in now are personal opinions and preferences. My opinion means nothing is this context. All we are interested in is what is and how it came to be.<br />
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That is the object of the exercise. There are far more pressing issues at hand than the word "nigger", but as I suggested, this entire conversation around race is seductive. How we approach it presently is largely unfulfilling and almost always controversial. I think that when real understanding is infused into the dialogue, the charge will lighten considerably. Of course, I'd preempt the training if I went into the core on this forum.<br />
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Thanks for your courage and your ideas.<br />
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Much respect,<br />
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